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Re: DCS --> LotATC

Messaggio da chromium » 29 maggio 2015, 11:19

Ka-50's VHF1 radio, R-828, use frequencies between 20-50 MHz.. with 10 fixed preset channels. You could find it in the ED forum, have a look :). If I remember correctly also the A-10C third radio work within the 20-50 Mhz range (more or less).

Unfortunately, Ka-50 won't be able to work with universradio properly unless any aircraft could be able to tune a radio on that freq. Please consider also that Ka-50 VHF-2 (R-800L) work in both VHF/UHF freq, but it's a single radio (I could tune 127.000 or 288.000, but I can't be on both freq at the same time).

Therefore R-828 functionality is essential for us.. :)
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Messaggio da Tacno » 29 maggio 2015, 13:50

Some vWing work with A-10 Ka50 Mi-8 and UH1.
It's the case in my vWing.

AN-ARC 186 FM of A-10C or A-10A : 30.000 to 76.000 FM
R828's Ka-50, 10 channels from 20.000 to 50.000 FM
R828's Mi-8, 10 channels from 20.000 to 50.000 FM
AN-ARC 131 FM's UH-1 : 30.000 to 76.000 FM

So, common range frequencies is 30.000 to 50.000.

There is a problem with Mi-8. Only one fq common with ka50 (canal 2): 25.675 MHz FM
Neither A-10x and neither UH-1can communicate with Mi-8.

Only one solution for alls there A/C can communicate : edit R_828.lua files

Heli squadron of my vWing (3rd-wing.net) did it.
Other squadron did it.

When I fly (on A-10 since 2009) with my friends flying on Ka50 or Mi-8, here is we configure radio :
A-10C : V = ATC , U = flotilla, FM = muds
Ka-50 : R800 = ATC , R828 = flotilla+muds
Mi-8 : R863 = ATC , R828 = flotilla+muds

with fq :
A-10C : V=xxx, U=xxx, FM=35.000
Ka-50 = R800=yyyy , R828=35.000
Mi-8 = R800=zzz , R828=35.000

We use to work as there. A-10C stays in monitoring of heli with lower volume.
Two A/C in flotilla with two radios take 3 radios. One radio displays common frequency.

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Messaggio da chromium » 29 maggio 2015, 14:07

A simple question: can CA user & FC3 planes communicate with Ka-50 on R-828? That's what we need :)
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Messaggio da Jay » 29 maggio 2015, 14:27

Hi Tacno,
thanks for the swift answer.

Maybe my question was not clearly put:

We tested the external radio as an "external" entity (E.G.: an ATC controller, a JTAC, a TANKER), not simulating an actual sim aircraft.

In this role, being able to communicate (you can see it as a "compatibility") to as much as vehicles/players/entities possible is the key.

So there is an unambiguous need for an external radio that can reach all the frequencies used by the in-game vehicles (E.G. the KA-50), therefore well below the 120.000 FM.

I hope it's clearer now :yes:
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Messaggio da Tacno » 30 maggio 2015, 21:36

As I wrote, I had the same discussion at 3rd-Wing.
You will have several schools :
First : will want all frequencies, no limit, and get sound effect with UR or an other TS3 plugin.
Second : will want more realistic, a little as me and UR. We can't talk to a Ka-50 on its R828 with a F-15C, because USAF didn't equip F-15C with this radio model or equivalent. However we have to do war (virtual) with. Idem for any russian aircrafst included in FC3 and other modules. They are from russian concept but neither MiG neither Sukhoi have a R828 or equivalent in cockpit.
So, how to do to talk to a Ka-50 ?
Only with VHF 2 R800, there is no other. (as in real life. If Ka50s use R800 for datalink then normally we can't use this radio for talking because data exchange corrupt signal... Same as russian fixed wing aircrafts datalink...) It's not easy and less comfortable.

I note, with v0.0.1.6, than a JTAC can not talk to a Ka50, Mi-8 on their R828. Better is an extension of JTAC radio from 30.000 to 150.000 or add a 3rd FM radio.

Today in DCS according real radios, who can talk with 30.000 to 60.000 MHz FM ? AWACS or tower with LotATC, A-10A , A-10C, Ka-50, Mi-8
I will add JTAC

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Messaggio da chromium » 30 maggio 2015, 22:11

In AMVI we are always committed to the best realism achievable, but sometimes you have to compromise aircrafts' tech specification to achieve a better realism level during the mission. The radio net is one of this thing, expecially if you want to fly russian helos with NATO standards, needing the ka-50s to be US equivalent assets. Obviously as you may find in the corresponding manuals, the AH-64 has a very different radio equipment than the Ka-50.

Speaking of planes only, in the current DCS layout there aren't any AWACS or ATC dedicated solution. We don't need any airplane talking with any helo. We only need that tactical commander & game master slots (& loATC slots maybe) to be able to communicate with either planes or helicopters, either using UHF, VHF-AM and VHF-FM frequency. That will allow any people to work as AWACS, FAC (JTAC), ATS and Ground troops roles.
I note, with v0.0.1.6, than a JTAC can not talk to a Ka50, Mi-8 on their R828. Better is an extension of JTAC radio from 30.000 to 150.000 or add a 3rd FM radio.
That is what we (and I bet many other) need :)


About R-800L1 use:
As stated in the manual, the R-800L1 is used either for datalink and communication with, apparently, no data corruption. I'm not that much into R-800L1 tech specification (if anyone could really know about) to know how they archieved this. I may say that the manual state also that the Ka-50 has 2 R-800L1... I may think that both work on the same freq, one is used for voice and the other for data.... but I always thought that it was simply a manual error. This is a thing that I may look into... and maybe I'll report you any interesting findings, if you like :).
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Messaggio da Phant » 11 giugno 2015, 19:18

Lotatc.com ha scritto:
LotAtc 1.0.0-rc2

  • Client
    • General
      • Properties dock: type “unknown” for friendlies [regression]
      • Tab is more visible
      • Fix layout in item properties for colors settings
      • Fix heading of airport in properties
    • BRAA
      • Altitude Discrepency tactical view vs BRAA
      • Cannot make BRAA on label
      • Fix for BRAA selection
    • UniversRadio
      • Speaking light offset
      • Better UI for radio
      • Change frequencies
      • Refresh radios every 5s
      • Update UR features to last version
    • Update translations (not yet finished)
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Messaggio da Tacno » 18 giugno 2015, 10:09

UniversRadio 0.0.1.7 is released http://www.tacnoworld.fr/UniversRadio

This version brings UR ER JTAC VHF radio with frequency starting from 20.000 MHz to 151.975 MHz.

Have good using.
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Re: DCS --> LotATC

Messaggio da DragonITA » 18 giugno 2015, 11:47

Thank you Tacno. We will test it during the summer. :yes:
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Messaggio da Phant » 19 gennaio 2016, 18:15

Lotatc.com ha scritto:
LotAtc 1.0.0-rc4

  • Client
    • General
      • Windows 10 support!
      • Fix crash when new controller joins
      • Fix documentation/news
    • BRAA
      • Add first draft of the map (not finished)
      • Switch automatically following mission theatre
    • Update translations (not yet finished)
    • BugFixes
  • Server
    • Lua glue ( DCS ? Lua glue ? LotAtc Server)
      • Nevada support
      • Units are now dynamically managed
      • Big increase of overall performances by using new DCS API (Thanks ED)
      • Airport coalition changed are reflected on client (not yet for radar but will come in next version)
      • Add db/airports.lua file to customise the displayed frequencies on client
      • Fix chat (coalition chat not yet working well)
    • Stabilisation and various fixes
    • Can install LotAtc Server on OpenBeta and OpenAlpha
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Re: DCS --> LotATC

Messaggio da DragonITA » 19 gennaio 2016, 18:45

Eh, sarebbe ora di farci un pensierino :what:
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Re: DCS --> LotATC

Messaggio da Metal » 20 gennaio 2016, 14:05

DragonITA ha scritto:Eh, sarebbe ora di farci un pensierino :what:
Come dissi tempo fa, sono disponibile all'acquisto della licenza e per fare dei test. Fatemi sapere :)

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Messaggio da Phant » 6 marzo 2016, 16:12

Lotatc.com ha scritto:
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LotAtc LotAtc 1.0.0 Final

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  • Client
    • General
      • Fix airports position and angle
      • Add Nevada airports
      • Fix approaches
      • Fix controller list update
      • Add heading/altitude on approach glide view
      • Fix lot of crashes
      • Fix crash on zooming (hope that is good now...)
  • Server
    • Fix airport does not act as radar correctly
    • Various fixes
    • JSGME is back! Read instructions into the package file!!!
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Re: DCS --> LotATC

Messaggio da DragonITA » 6 marzo 2016, 16:24

Bene. Dart dovrebbe aver sistemato i problemi di crash. Da provare :grande:
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Messaggio da Aviators » 6 marzo 2016, 17:11

per aggiornare come funziona? devo disinstallare e reinstallare? o posso aggiornare sopra?

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